I saw the following column in Daily Pioneer on thev HAF's study and report on 
 Caste-ism.
 http://www.dailypioneer.com/306132/Not-cast-in-stone.html
 I lot of controversy about HAF report "Not Cast in Caste" has been created by a 
 few individuals on yahoogroups. I don't understand why Hindus, residents of  any 
 country or any person from any where, can't discuss the caste system. HAF is 
 an advocacy group for Hindu rights, and it has done a superb job of defending 
 Hindu causes. 
 
 In the past in various fora, HAF has confronted the charges of discrimination in 
 Hinduism due to caste-ism. In response to such misinformation campaign, HAF 
 undertook a comprehensive study of the caste system with the assistance of many 
 Hindu experts and saints. 
 
 HAF report correctly states that caste-ism is not authorized by Hinduism and 
 Hindu scriptures. Hinduism is capable of solving the problem of caste-ism. 
 However, the reform has been slow-going due to complex political and economic 
 conditions.
  We are sure that the report will be revised with contributions from the 
 community and the experience. However, the unnecessary criticism is not helpful 
 to the cause of Hinduism
 Please read the column by Ashok Malik in today's Daily Pioneer.  
 Dr. R. Singh
  
 Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   
 Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   
 Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   DAILY PIONEER 
 Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   
 Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   
 Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   Not cast in stone
 December 31, 2010   11:26:11 AM
 
 Ashok Malik
 
 There is nothing which says Hindus living in America or elsewhere in the world 
 don't have the right to comment on Hinduism in India
 
 Earlier this month, the Hindu American Foundation published a report named 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste. The subtitle — 'Seeking an end to caste-based 
 discrimination' — summed up HAF's overall objective. The report itself is a 
 short introduction to the history of caste, and the agencies and processes — 
 from British imperial administrators to modern democratic politics — that have 
 encouraged it. It catalogues cases of discrimination in contemporary India as 
 well as carries messages from religious leaders who describe caste hierarchies 
 as un-Hindu and a repudiation of the essential message of Hinduism: That 
 divinity rests in every person.
 
 The report argues, as others have, that evil practices such as untouchability 
 were absent in the Vedas and clearly a "later development". Citing among others 
 BR Ambedkar, it suggests sections of post-Vedic texts, the Smritis, were written 
 by dominant elites who had "vested interests" in sustaining "a system of 
 birth-based discrimination and spiritual privileges". Its verdict is 
 categorical: "HAF decries these later additions and practices as morally 
 repugnant and unacceptable."
 
 Hinduism: Not Cast in Caste is not an academic treatise, much less a definitive 
 compendium of the phenomenon of caste within Hindu, Indian or South Asian 
 society. It should be viewed as what it is: An advocacy document.
 
 Not everybody has chosen to see the HAF report in such terms. Internet-based 
 Hindu polemicists have decried it and used language that borders on xenophobia. 
 HAF has been charged with encouraging the United States Congress to intervene in 
 India's domestic social and political structures. It has been accused of 
 Semitising Hinduism by giving primacy to some 'books' over others. Finally, some 
 have put forward the absurd claim that Hindus who have migrated and live in 
 countries outside India have no business commenting on caste, Hinduism and 
 social and religious practices of the 'matrabhumi'. This is not just bizarre, it 
 is dangerous nonsense.
 
 The episode has thrown up two issues that require deeper analysis:
 
 	* What are HAF's motivations?
 
 	* What is the political/ideological relationship between a collective of 
 American Hindus, and Hindu activists in Indian public life?
 
 HAF believes its caste report is timely and necessary to establish its 
 credentials as an interest group that plays fair and is not shy of facing up to 
 the not-so-admirable aspects of Hindu society. In the US as in Britain, the 
 caste issue has often — and exaggeratedly — been used as a stick to beat both 
 Hinduism and India. There have been attempts to equate caste with racial 
 discrimination and present untouchability as the equivalent of apartheid. While 
 the latter may have been true for specific periods in Indian history, racial 
 segregation was official policy in apartheid-era South Africa. In today's India 
 untouchability and caste discrimination are illegal. However, they remain social 
 distortions.
 
 HAF finds it ironical that the caste debate in American academic and advocacy 
 circles — those that carry weight with individual members of Congress or with 
 the State Department — has been more or less appropriated by groups that 
 self-identify as non-Hindu, and that represent positions that may be Marxist or 
 actively hostile to India. It wants to intervene as a group that is sympathetic 
 to the basic tenets of Hinduism but can take a rational and clearheaded call on 
 its shortcomings, in practice or even in theory.
 
 The debate HAF has walked into is set within the framework of Indian society but 
 is actually a discussion between different groups of Americans, all of which 
 have a different interpretation of the prominence of caste in contemporary 
 Hinduism and each of which, in its own way, seeks to influence Washington, DC, 
 and its policy towards New Delhi. Given this matrix, HAF's entry into the wider 
 discourse on caste should be welcomed rather than cussedly rejected.
 
 That apart, the right and ability of an external institution — American Hindu or 
 American non-Hindu for that matter — to study and assess a social phenomenon 
 that is broadly limited to the territory of another nation cannot be denied. It 
 is an irreversible reality, a collateral consequence of globalisation. The 
 globalisation of causes and concerns, of protest and activism and, ultimately, 
 of soft power is a manifestation of global networking. It uses the same tools 
 and communication technologies as its business counterpart and it cannot be 
 wished away.
 
 Does this make HAF a US-based auxiliary of the Hindu politico-social Right in 
 India? It would be hazardous to arrive at that easy and lazy conclusion. There 
 will be times when the two will seem to move in parallel. For instance, each 
 year HAF publishes Hindus in South Asia and the Diaspora: A Survey of Human 
 Rights, recording prejudice against Hindus by state and non-state actors in, 
 among other places, Bangladesh and the Kashmir Valley.
 
 Yet, there will also be occasion when the two entities — the domestic Hindu and 
 diaspora Hindu — will look at an issue very differently. HAF is a religious and 
 ethnic minority interest group in a multi-cultural nation. Its leadership and 
 the locus of its work are embedded in American society. Much of its endeavour 
 will carry little resonance with somebody residing in India.
 
 Take the Ten Commandments controversy. Some years ago, the chief justice of the 
 Alabama Supreme Court ordered the installation, within the court complex, of a 
 sculpture depicting the Ten Commandments. His point was the Ten Commandments, 
 along with texts such as the Declaration of Independence, comprised a moral and 
 philosophical source of American law.
 
 Left-liberal intellectuals and segments of religious minorities contested this. 
 They contended the display of a religious symbol violated the separation of 
 church and state and disputed the Christian foundations of American nationhood, 
 implicit in the Alabama chief justice's decision. HAF participated in this 
 process, campaigning against the placing of the Ten Commandments "in public 
 schools, courthouses, and other public buildings".
 
 To the Hindu Right in India, this controversy made little sense. If anything, 
 there would have been sympathy for the Alabama judge's position. The original 
 copy of the Constitution of India carries Hindu religious iconography. If a 
 religious minority in India asks for this to be removed, the Hindu Right would 
 respond with an argument not dissimilar to that of the Alabama chief justice.
 
 Rather than get entrapped in such conundrums, Hindu activists in India should 
 not grudge HAF its intellectual space. As for the caste issue, a serious 
 discussion is certainly needed within the Hindu Right. Pointing fingers at HAF 
 won't change that.
 
 -- malikashok@gmail.com
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 ________________________________
 
  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
   
 
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  Hindus and caste system
 By Kumarpushp on 12/29/2010 5:45:35 PM
 
 I think hindus has problem with caste system because they donot know how caste 
 system came into India but 160 million dalits are sure that they are not 
 hindus.once 160 million dalits will get educated and become Ambedkerised then 
 caste system will disappear from earth.Recently in mitchigan University ,all 
 intellectuals from south Africa and India gathered and discuss about Gandhi and 
 taken decision to remove the statue of gandhi from university campus.Hindus must 
 know that you people can not mak
 
  Caste Structure in India
 By Krish on 12/28/2010 4:28:42 PM
 
 Untouchability is surely an abhorrent practice. But the rigid caste system has 
 had its positives according to some commentators. I can say with personal 
 knowledge, for I spent first 16 years of my life in a village in Haryana, that 
 apart from the shudras, each caste definitely has a sense of pride in itself. 
 Though they have social dealings with each other, even participating in the 
 marriage and other celebrations, but inter-caste marriages were not allowed, nor 
 sharing of things like the Hukkah
 
  Right on Hindism and not India
 By Gautham on 12/26/2010 6:54:23 PM
 
 The author has rightly pointed out that any Hindu organization has a right to 
 openly discuss the vedas, irrespective of the country it belongs to. 
 
 However, the question is not about HAF speaking about Hinduism but about "Caste 
 System in India". Every right thiinking Hindu has to resist attempts by foreign 
 organizations to interpret India through their version of Hindu history.
 They are free to interpret Hinduism, but not to interpret Hindu history in 
 India!
 
  Right Hindus
 By Jitendra Desai on 12/25/2010 7:59:59 PM
 
 Hindu Right is actively involved in educating Hindus to grow beyond their castes 
 and acquire a pan Hindu identity. Very large segment of Hindu middle class has 
 become a near casteless Hindu. Serious discussion is needed among Indian Left 
 that has sided with castists political formations to defeat so called communal 
 forces.
 
  only GOD knows in which world you are living in, reality is different
 By abhishek rai on 12/25/2010 3:50:08 PM
 
 even you seems to be suffering from the same prejudices which is a stereotype in 
 india. except for some tv channel sponsered events hardly anybody can see caste 
 system being practiced in a way that many wishes to be practiced so that they 
 can launch the crusade against it and earn their bread and butter by foreign 
 funding most probably sponsered by church. today's reality is that the brahmins 
 are the most weakened group of people.
 
 
Thursday, December 30, 2010
[rti4empowerment] Not Cast in Stone/ Column in today's Daily Pioneer
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