The Editor
Kindly refer to the graphic accompanying Ashis RAY's report, page 12, The Times of India, 2011 MAY 03.
The map shows Pakistan occupied Jammu and Kashmir as part of Pakistan
Does this mean The Times of India has accepted Pakistan's view that India has no case.
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Hello,
Kindly refer to the graphic by Prashant CHOUDHURY in the latest issue, India Today, 2009 AUG 17.
He has shown Pakistan occupied Jammu and Kashmir as part of Pakistan.
Does this mean India Today has accepted Pakistan's view that India has no case.
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>>>On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai@gmail.com> wrote:
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After Google's unbelievable 'googledegook' explanation on Arunachal Pradesh being 'part' of China, here is The Lalit Intercontinental giving a massive advertisement in Bombay Times, 2009 AUG 09, depicts the Pakistan occupied Jammu and Kashmir as part of Pakistan
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2009/08/09&PageLabel=33&ForceGif=true&EntityId=Ad03303&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T
I wonder what is happening to our values, or are the copy writers, advertisers, corporate PR personnel, and all those involved in such matters, at all aware of what they are doing.
Will The Lalit at all correct this humiliation to India and Indians, let alone apologise.
I wonder.http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_google-shows-parts-of-arunachal-in-mandarin_1280812
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>>>Google shows parts of Arunachal in Mandarin
DNA CorrespondentSunday, August 9, 2009 3:21 IST
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Mumbai: Duokousuo seems quite close to Itanagar on Google Maps. But there's something amiss when you zoom in. While Itanagar is spelt in English, Duokousuo is spelt in English and Mandarin, China's national language.
A controversy has erupted over Google Map's depiction of Duokousuo and other areas of Arunachal Pradesh in Mandarin. The name of any place in India - from neighbouring Guwahati to faraway Bengaluru - is normally written in English and Hindi.
Interestingly, the changes were noticed Thursday, a day before talks between India and China on the border dispute between the two countries.Responding to DNA's queries, a Google spokesperson said, "Earlier this week, as part of a routine update to Google Earth, we published new data for the Arunachal Pradesh region that changed the depiction of certain place names in the product. The change was a result of a mistake in our processing of new map data."
Some people had claimed that Google Maps was targeted by Chinese hackers who changed the language.
Meanwhile, politicians have demanded that the Centre demand an explanation from Google. The online world too was full of protests. "guys rush and see google maps for arunachal pradesh...its ceded to china...," tweeted 'abi_ole'. Another tweeter, varunkumar, posted, "Google adding fuel to the fire. GMaps marked Arunachal in Chinese."
Google said that the problem will be rectified soon. "We are in the process of reverting the data to its previous state, and expect the change to be visible in the product shortly. We would like to clarify that this issue did not impact our depiction of international borders," said the Google spokesperson.
>>>On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Even 'Indian' magazines are now least interested in depicting India's integral territories
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?250566
See the map below.
Meantime, the National Council of Science Museums has released another advertisement in TTOI, 2009 JUL 21, trying to correct the earlier grave mistake
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2009/07/21&PageLabel=11&ForceGif=true&EntityId=Ad01108&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Government of India seems to have given up on Jammu and Kashmir.
The map shown in this advertisement has not only given part of Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan, but also to China.
No wonder many countries show a truncated India.
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2009/07/19&PageLabel=13&ForceGif=true&EntityId=Ad01310&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T
Its shocking that this government agency has no problem in publishing this map, that too very prominently.
Does this signify a shift in India's stand.
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On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,In reference to thisThere is this map on the page, with the credit line'Source : Electoral Commission of India'
Yes, the UK counter part is The Electoral Commission
But the Indian one is the Election Commission of IndiaA bit of a credibility crisis still persisting in the BBC, and as usual, try to irritate Indians with the State of Jammu and Kashmir subtlely shown with a broken white line, unlike the full white lines between other states, as if its not part of India, Ha Ha Ha.Trust the untrustworthy BBC to do its little bit to break India.And another thing, though it was first broadcast many weeks ago, I saw this on 2009 JAN 17.This is as close that BBC will get to calling the LeT terrorists of Mumbai attacks, terrorists, of course, from a British point of viewJagdeep DESAIArchitect
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Pakistan pledges fight to the death
BBC Panorama reporter
Maj Gen Khan's troops have been involved in fierce battles"No permission is required - just open fire on anything that moves," came the order from Maj Gen Tarik Khan, commander of Pakistan's Frontier Corps.
We were sheltering in a traditional mud-walled compound in in the tribal area of Bajaur on the border with Afghanistan.
His men had seized it from militants the day before, after fierce hand-to-hand fighting.
Bursts of fire still rang out and shell cases smoked underfoot as I explored the network of tunnels connecting these compounds, some stretching for several kilometres underground.
The Taleban and al-Qaeda had dug in here over the years, threatening the local tribes and becoming the effective power in the land.
The Pakistani government in the past has been accused of not being committed to the US-led "war on terror" because offensives turned into truces before the job was finished.
But now the new civilian government led by President Asif Ali Zardari - whose wife, Benazir Bhutto, was killed by extremists a year ago - has declared that this time it is a fight to the death.
"If they do not lay down their arms, we will kill them," declared Gen Khan. "There is no other way to bring this to a close."
Sanctuary
Pakistan's commitment to the fight against terrorism affects many of us - the majority of serious terror plots in the UK lead back in some way to Pakistan, which has also become a launch pad for the growing insurgency in neighbouring Afghanistan.
"It's a life and death struggle for Pakistan as well as Afghanistan," Brig Gen Mark Milley told me as we flew in a US army helicopter along the Afghan side of the border just a few miles away.
The scenery below was spectacular, rugged and wild, and clearly no barrier to the insurgents.
"The terrain and the culture lends itself to multiple groups, amongst them al-Qaeda, who have established a sanctuary here," explained Gen Milley.
He has lost 16 men to well-trained and motivated insurgents in the past few months alone.
Pakistan is under intense international pressure to destroy the militants who established a safe haven and training camps after fleeing Afghanistan in the wake of the 9/11 attacks in the US.
That pressure has increased following the attacks in Mumbai, which India blames on a Pakistan-based Kashmiri group.
Both generals explained to me that the strategy now is to trap the militants between the hammer of the Pakistani army's offensive in the tribal areas and the anvil of US forces ranged on the other side of the border.
Suicide bombers
This winter could be decisive in preventing the insurgents retreating back into the tribal areas - but only if the Pakistani army and government hold firm.
But a local Taleban leader who operates from the Pakistan side of the border was defiant.
"Pakistani and Afghan soldiers will die," he said. "We Muslims are not disabled and this war is not going to end."
AdvertisementJane Corbin comes face-to-face with two would-be suicide bombers.
This man trains many of the suicide bombers sent over the border to Afghanistan to attack coalition troops and Afghan civilians.
In Afghan jails there are 48 would-be suicide bombers from Pakistan.
This year there have been over 140 suicide attacks in Afghanistan - even the streets of the capital, Kabul, are no longer safe.
Abed, a young man we met in one jail, came from the Punjab.
He now repents of what he had done, telling me he was deceived by his Taleban handlers, who sent him to drive a massive truck bomb into what he was told was an army base full of foreigners - British and US troops.
But when he got near he realised the soldiers were speaking the local language.
"I had prayed in my heart that I would not kill any innocent Muslims," he said.
"So when I saw they were Muslims I surrendered myself."
Fighting back
We took a letter from Abed to his family back in Pakistan.
They were horrified to discover what he had become - he had disappeared the year before and they thought he had gone to study at a madrassa, or religious school.
Abed's family were shocked to hear of his fateBut Abed had been recruited by the Taleban and his family were angry and upset.
"The big religious scholars have taken him," said his mother, Naseem, "and we don't know how they persuaded him to do jihad".
His family sent a letter back to Abed telling him they forgave him and asking him to seek forgiveness from God.
In the same jail we met another young bomber, 17-year-old Khalil, who was still filled with hate against foreigners.
He had been caught before he could detonate his suicide vest.
He refused to speak directly to me, a western woman, but told our interpreter that "the Muslims can never be friends with the infidel".
Pakistan needs to root out militancy and terror not only from the tribal areas but from the cities, the religious schools or madrassas and the countryside.
"Yes, it will be a difficult and expensive war to fight," said Rehman Malik, the president's counter-terrorism advisor.
"But we have two options - either we hand Pakistan over to the Taleban or we fight back."
The future security of all of us depends on Pakistan's will and ability to fight back.
Panorama: Britain's Terror Heartland will be broadcast on BBC One at 2030 GMT on Monday 15 December.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,That the BBC and CNN are totally anti Indian is old news, showing distorted, illegal maps of India, and giving POK to Pakistan.Just to irritate, knowing fully well, that whatever they do, the fact remains, Jammu and Kashmir is part of India.But here is some more evidence.On the first day of assembly elections in Jammu and Kashmir, Damian GRAMMATICUS, BBC, dramatically went to a polling station, and saw a register, and said, that there is only one person who has voted.He said this showed how much 'authority' India has on J and K.This early in the morning, first day.Well, Damian and BBC can eat their words, over sixty per cent voting in all three phases, in the heart of 'separatist' areas.Shows who controls J and K, eh Damian?Then CNN's Andrew STEVENS came to Mumbai for the India Week, just before the terrorist activities.He went to CST, called it Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminal, now I myself am confused as to its name.He called Chennai, Chennoi, attribute it to his accent, I suppose.Then, both BBC and CNN continue to call the terrorists, 'militants', and gunmen.Like of course the World Trade Centre protagonists were misguided trainee pilots, and those responsible for the London Underground bombings were tourists.My friends in BBC, CNN, let's keep the faith.If you don't like India, don't come or cover it.And why do we watch?Just to see what else they show.In any case, senior BBC veteran, John SIMPSON has no doubtJagdeep DESAIArchitect+91 98 6922 7148>>>British Biased Corporation?
Terrorists in London, gunmen in Mumbai
New Delhi: The BBC, attempting to appear unbiased, has laid itself open to accusations of bias. A group of politicians in the UK's ruling Labour party have questioned the BBC's use — or its decision to avoid using — the word "terrorist" to describe the 10 men responsible for nearly 200 deaths in Mumbai and calling them "gunmen" or "militants" instead.One of them, Steve Pound, who represents the South Asian-heavy constituency of Ealing North in the British Parliament, said in a statement released to news agencies that it was "the worst sort of mealy-mouthed posturing."
The BBC has faced this accusation before: following the July 7, 2005 bombings of the public transport system in London, the perpetrators were described by correspondents as "terrorists"; until, that is, reactions from across the world that detailed how the broadcaster, seemed to be hypocritical in calling those bus bombers in London terrorists, but people who did an identical act in Northern Ireland or Peru "bombers" or "militants".
Later, BBC chairman Michael Grade told BBC's Today programme that the broadcaster should have called the July 7 bombers terrorists because they were universally viewed as such within the corporation. BBC is state-owned but independently run. Its guidelines say that the "terrorist" word is not banned, but should be used "sparingly" and that a bare reporting of facts could be a "barrier rather than an aid to understanding" and "undermine" the news organisation's "credibility".The ultimate decision, they say, is the editor's and the correspondent's. Which may explain why British editors after the 7/7 attacks used the word "terrorist" for considerably longer than they did after the attacks in Mumbai. Since then, however, the BBC says it has been particularly circumspect, choosing to avoid making an editorial call for as long as possible on whether something is terrorism or not.
The report archived on the BBC website with the earliest time-stamp, in fact, chooses to call the Mumbai attackers gunmen in most places, and "suspected terrorists" in one — perhaps because the context of the latter is the measures the police said they were taking to contain them. In comparison, the BBC took several days to make the same leap after the London terrorist attacks.
Such decisions are generally made by the London-based editorial corps; those members of the Indian bureau as well as some London-based correspondents who were contacted were unwilling to speak on record. The London-based BBC press office, however, told The Indian Express: "We are not calling them freedom fighters. We are calling them 'bombers' or 'militants'. The fact is terrorist does not have a universal meaning. It translates as freedom fighters in certain languages. We are not alone in not calling them terrorists."
>>>Broadcaster John Simpson: 'The BBC is in its last stages... and I expect to be sacked soon'
By LIZ THOMAS
Last updated at 10:34 AM on 15th October 2008![John Simpson]()
Bleak times: John Simpson claims the BBC 'is in its last stages'
The BBC 'is now in its last stages', according to veteran correspondent John Simpson.
The long-serving journalist also admitted his employer was a 'difficult organisation to work for' and that he sometimes 'hated' his bosses.
Asked about the future of broadcasting, he told the Cheltenham Literature Festival: 'I don't think that it's going to look very good for the BBC.
'I think the BBC we have known, for good or worse, is now in its last stages.'
He said he was concerned about a lack of funding for the organisation, adding: 'The way in which our entire broadcasting system has functioned for decades since 1955 is now under very serious threat.
'It will be very different indeed. It may be better, but I somehow doubt it.'
Simpson, 64, has reported from more than 120 countries in a career at the BBC spanning more than 40 years.
Now World Affairs Editor, he is one of the BBC's most respected journalists.
He was famously injured in a 'friendly fire' incident whilst covering the Iraq war in 2003.
A US plane mistakenly bombed the convoy of American and Kurdish forces in which he was travelling.
Now World Affairs Editor, he one of the BBC's most respected journalists, but has revealed that he has struggled over the years with executives over the organization.
He then joked that he would probably face the sack 'under horrible circumstances' for his comments about BBC bosses.
If that happened, he said: 'I'll hate the so and sos - I hate them pretty much anyway, but I'll hate them even more.
'Then I'll be tempted to say that standards have definitely dropped, when what I mean is that I'm not around any more!'
However, he added: 'Although the BBC is a difficult organisation sometimes to work for it nevertheless, in its way, is a magnificent outfit and I'm very fond of it - sort of.'
The veteran broadcaster also seemingly attacked Terry Wogan's recent criticism of the BBC, describing it as 'particularly savage'.
Earlier this year, the Radio 2 presenter had hit out at BBC bosses accusing them of lacking 'old-fashioned thoroughness and commitment'.
The star, who earns a salary in excess of £800,000, added that executives were now more concerned about their pay packets than the prestige of working for a world-renowned public service broadcaster.
But, Mr Simpson said: 'If you take someone's money, you owe them a certain debt of loyalty.'
A BBC spokesman said: 'John Simpson, like many people, is someone who cares deeply about the BBC and its future.
'He is a hugely respected broadcaster who has made and will continue to make a significant contribution to the BBC.'
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My opinion of the beeb is that its full of cronies and phonies, that dont even live on the same planet as the average fee payer, yes it is a mouth piece for the present shower in power. Sorry i can't summon up any sympathy, How come that greg Dyke wasn't dragged before the racy relations board for saying the Beeb was hideously white. Not any more it's not.
- Dennis Shambley, Wigan England, 14/10/2008 15:40
Perhaps he didn't get an invite to the Wimbledon players party, which the BBC staged at £500 a head and cost £81, 000 of licence payers money. Money well spent.
- john, Chelmsford, 14/10/2008 15:21
The BBC have moved too far away from Lord Reith's original concept of 'education, entertainment and enlightenment' that it's time the organisation was reformed or wound-up. I am fed up paying licence money for things that offend me.
- Anon, Haywards Heath, W.Sussex, 14/10/2008 15:02
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October 14, 2008John Simpson: BBC will sack me 'in horrible circumstances'
Patrick Foster, Media Correspondent(Hussein Malla/AP)
John Simpson said the BBC in its current format was living on borrowed time
He has kept his nerve in some of the world's most hostile environments, survived being bombed by US planes and even, if you believe it, liberated a city.
But John Simpson, the BBC's World Affairs Editor, believes that it is the "so-and-so's" in charge of the corporation that will prove to be his undoing.
The veteran war correspondent told an audience at the Cheltenham Literature Festival that the BBC was "in its last stages" and that he expects to be sacked in the not too distant future, "in horrible circumstances".
The 64-year-old said he had no sympathy for those who left the BBC only to criticise the corporation's bosses, but added: "I hate them pretty much anyway."
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He said: "That's what you do. You wait until you've finished and then say something nasty about it.
"I shall no doubt be sacked under horrible circumstances. Things will be absolutely dreadful. I'll hate the so and so's - I hate them pretty much anyway, but I'll hate them even more. Then I'll be tempted to say that standards have definitely dropped, when what I mean is that I'm not around any more.
"I just hope - and I hope you'll keep me to it - if I were to get the boot from the BBC, perhaps after what I've said this evening, and I pop up and start denigrating it, I do hope you'll remind me how I despise that tendency among people.
"I hope I won't do it. If you take someone's money, you owe them a certain debt of loyalty. Although the BBC is a difficult organisation sometimes to work for in peace and harmony, it nevertheless, in its way, is a magnificent outfit and I'm very fond of it - sort of."
Simpson, who has visited 120 countries with the corporation, said that he feared for the "chopping away" of the licence fee. He said: "Anyone who wants to cut the BBC down - and there's lots who do - the way to do it is to chop away at the money. We are already cutting back on all our operations across the board, as a result of the effective cut in the licence fee.
"The future? Well, I don't think that it's going to look very good for the BBC. I think the BBC we have known, for good or worse, is now in its last stages. It pains me after 42 years of working for it to think that, but I alas do.
"I think the standards will be there, just as they are with other organisations which have been built on the BBC model, but it takes money.
"Now that the commercial principle is failing the broadcasters, it means the way in which our entire broadcasting system has functioned for decades since 1955 is now under very serious threat. It will be very different indeed. It may be better but I somehow doubt it.
"What the hell do I care? I'll be 75 or something like that. I'll be just that age when people start turning round and saying nasty things about the BBC."
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