My Dear freind , I am Very sorry that you take Offensive For a mail sent by me . Yes ofcourse I have read the GO making the Ammendement Stating that Sec 19(1) has to be Undergone Before Coming under Section 19(3) as Second appeal to KIC . the ammendement is perfectly in Order and Does not in any way infringes nor steps or Overrides the rights to Complain under section 18 . You Have read Law but i have not done so . I Have explained it To MR Pramod Halkatti . If You were Filing Complaints or appeals in KIC Way back in 2005,2006, 2007 You Must be aware that there were two Types of Checklists to be submitted to KIC along with your complaint or Appeal as the case may be . unfortunately it was the KIC Which Started alloting PTN prefixes to Cases dairised and causelisted instead of COM or APL numbers earlier and it Fully their fault that all COM and APL's were clubbed as PTN meaning Petitions and their Simplification has Now landed them into trouble of their own making and Endeding in Culmination of this GO . I Hope you will atleast understand the Difference and File seprate Checklist to indicate under which section you have approached the KIC for Reliefs . Already Gujarath High court has given a Ruling on Reliefs and Methodology to approach in AIR : Guj 203 2008 . If an on Contract Clerk or a Person workin as a Clerk in KIC is not a permenant staff but a Staff whom is hired such Wrong things are Bound to happen and We Should solve such matters appropriatly in Right time at Right Forum My seniority or Not does not Count here But Proper reading of the Rule and act Makes Much Weight. All ACTs /Rules/Notifications/ circulars /Memos /Sectional circulars are Bound to be read in their own fashion by People who are equipped to do So will ensure that they Create problems If You are really interest File an RTI to KIC Seeking Howmany Cases were adjudicated Surpassed the 19(1) Process and How did they happen and who were the Persons responsible and under what Backgropund and circumstances OR simply ask the file Notings From BOTH DPAR & KIC As to the asking by the Reception Clerk Lodge a written Complaint that he/She is Not Well Versed and is interpreting in his/her fashion Therefore remove him and post A well versed FDC/SDC and not an hired person . You can also observe and catch this person Every Time does a Wrong interpretation
N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota, #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
--- On Wed, 9/11/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> wrote:
From: SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
To: "Vikram Simha" <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Wednesday, 9 November, 2011, 10:54 PM
Mr. Vikram SihmaJI , Please go and verify with the commission and speak to pramod in this reagard , i have not went to the commission to submit my application , The commission officials refused Mr. Pramod Halakatti complaints under section 18 , Then i met the under secretary , then they accepted and said they will issue an endorsement to file appeal under section 19(1) before the proper appleate and then come under section 19(3) of the act , you are a senior and expert in rti , i also know the diffrence between section 18 and 19 please donot take this is silly , All the RTI Applicants local / out station / rural peoples who are coming to commission to file complaint under section 18 are directed to file apeal under 19 before the applelate authority Thank you On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote: | Mr Guptha Ji , The Rules are for appeal--- APPEAL -- APPEAL only and nothing less nor more , why do you want to confuse all . We In Karnataka are Capable and equipped to Differenciate Section 18 from 19 and if at all a silly clerk /Case worker or even a Undersecretary get himself emboldened to Confuse we have our own methodology already in Vouge (by way of a Seprate Checklist) to counter such Silly and Filibustours Interpretation. However, I do agree with Several of our freinds with thier Curiosity as also the right to know the Generation of this notification and when the ACT is So explicit in this Matter. I also wish to inform all that the other concerns of Sitting time of the IC's/Sticking on to continious Manadamus etc are other matters to be sorted out seperatly . Some of our Freinds get over excited and enthusiastic because there certainly is a Gap in the Checks & Balances which were in Vouge but Failed because of certain Userpers and their Ego's N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Wed, 9/11/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 9 November, 2011, 2:00 PM There is a need to panic. If we do not receive the reply to RTI application, applicant has a right to go to the Commission directly in complaint u.s. 18. How that option can be snacthed without due process of law. Other grounds to approach the Commission are enumerated sub sections (a) to (f) of section 18.
There is no time limit to go to Commission in complaint case while in appeal, the limitation is of 90 days.
In complaint, the penal provisions are more stringenent than in appeal.
I would like Shri Sarabjit Roy to be categorical about his thinking on these points.
From: Bhaskar Prabhu <mahitiadhikarmanch@gmail.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE
I agree with Sarbajit and Vinita, this pertains only to appeal process. Bhaskar Prabhu Mahiti Adhikar Manch On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Vinita Vishwas Deshmukh <vinitapune@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think there's anything to get panicky - it only says that first you should go to the appellate authority. my two bits cheers and warm rgds vinita Vinita Deshmukh Senior Journalist 98230 36663 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: The amended rules are perfectly ok and only concern 2nd appeals u/s 19(3). This has no bearing whatsover on complaints filed u/s 18.
Sarbajit
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