-: Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA

Sunday, March 27, 2011

Re: [rti4empowerment] First Appeal before FAA - DoPT

Dear Sarbajit,

Let us discuss facts and not extrapolations.

Moreover, are you suggesting that DoPT PIOs are Smart as Averse to being Sincere.

Looking forward to your response on the same ........

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

The problem with your "facts" is that they are actually your wild extrapolations.

Where have you got PROOF that the Rules were not "sent" to Parliament.?? C'mon out with it now !

Anyway from the DoP'Ts reply I inferred that you STILL do not know how to draft an RTI application to know if the 2005 Rules were tabled in Parliament or not. Actually I would have taught you but you did not avail my offer of training.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit,

Thanks for your kind suggestion.

Please refer to the said post again. I had put forward the facts, and suggested that the readers were free to infer ........

It is you who has extrapolated ( to infer (an unknown) from something that is known; conjecture)

I can understand your anxiety

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sunil,

From another anguished post of yours (Secret way to amend RTI Act) I am given to understand that DoPT informs you that "information requested is not on file". You have (wrongly) interpreted this to mean that RTI Rules of 2005 were not tabled in Parliament and extrapolated to a wild degree..

Unfortunately, DoPT's PIOs are very good. The fact is (and I am saying this as your well wisher) that your RTI was very badly drafted and there was no other reply for the PIO to give you (see my message of 6 days back below) . So please interpret properly what PIO has communicated to you. I can understand your frustration, but it is your fault.

NB: Had I drafted the RTI request for same info the concerned PIO would not have been able to evade giving me the information.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Please read section 29 and compare it to your RTI request. If I was in the PIO's place I would inform you that the information you requested does not exist. DoPT's PIOs count the days in a way different from the way you do - so add upto 20 days extra.

Savbajit

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit,

Thanks for your response.

Section 28 confers the power to make rules and thereafter Section 29(1) mandates immediate ratification by both the houses of Parliament of every such rule made by the Central Government under the Act. I have asked for a copy of the ratified rules (made way back in 2005) and any inward and outward correspondence made with both the houses of Parliament for obtaining such ratification.

If you have a counter view, kindly elicit.

In any case, the CPIO should have responded to the RTI application.

Best Regards,

Sunil.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, sroy 1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sunil

Before filing RTIs or FAs kindly read the RTI Act and then see what you have applied for.

Sarbajit

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Sunil Ahya <sunilahya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

This is to inform that the CPIO of Department of Personnel & Training
(DoPT) has not responded to the RTI application for information
received by the department as on 09-02-11,hence a First Appeal has
been filed before the FAA requesting to direct the CPIO to provide the
information forthwith.

Information Requested was as follows::

(a) Subject matter of the Information:

Central Information Commission (Appeal Procedure) Rules, 2005,
published in the Official Gazette vide NOTIFICATION - F.No.
1/4/2005-IR, dated:28th October, 2005 Gazette of India, Extraordinary,
dated 28-10-2005 (hereinafter called "the said Gazetted Rules" for the
sake of brevity)

(b) Description of the Information Required:

1.Inward & Outward correspondence carried out with Both the Houses of
the Parliament of India for the purpose of seeking approval of the
said Gazetted Rules, in compliance with section 29(1) of the RTI Act,
2005.

2.Final approvals received from Both the Houses of the Parliament of
India in compliance with section 29(1) of the RTI Act, 2005.

Best Regards,

Sunil.