Mathur sahab,
You are aware I have not hesitated to contact you ,so that is not an
issue,I,too,think I have been of some assistance in your research,One will
definitely contact you with the issues which agitate one.Though may I
add,individually we have to interact with police personnel at the lowest
level and that is not a happy experience for as simple a thing as a passport
verification.
As far as politeness is concerned,I do not think I have overstepped the
line.But please do point out my errors of omission and commission.One may
occasionally respond if someone else consistently oversteps the line of what
is considered polite interaction.You are aware of what I speak.
Regards
Urvi
PS.I do not agree-discretion is not necessarily the better part of
valour.Girte hain shehsavar hi maidan-e-jang mein.:)
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From: "Sant Mathur" <santmathur@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:48 PM
To: "Urvi Sukul Singh" <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
Cc: "rti4emp yahoo" <rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] Fw: [HumJanenge] Re: "Judge Uncle Syndrome"
in the High Courts
> I feel personally extremely sorry that in place of having serious
> discourse/debate on issues of public impotrance for furthering our
> common interests,we're getting bogged down on inter-personal
> trivia,and that ,too, in not so great taste.
> May,I humbly submit to all my dear friends-fora notwithstanding--to
> kindly concentrate on issues of our common interest? NATIONAL INTEREST
> to be precise.
> All along my four decades of self-less public service,I've striven for
> organisational excellence,which is also reflected in my doctoral
> thesis on KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT.
> As regards improvement in poliving,yes,the importance has always been
> known and not have efforts been made tirelessly to address the
> issue(s) but in two significant and well acclaimed published research
> papers(CPNTEMPORARY POLICING:LEADERSHIP CHALLENGES and POLICE VISION
> 2020) the maladies amd remedies have been highlighted.
> This is not the forum to dilate on that,I believe.Whoever peronally
> wishes to interact could do so gladly please.Its my passion to work
> for bringing about ORGANISATIONAL EXCELLENCE in policing(infact whole
> of CJS).
> Whoever has brilliant ideas could please contribute to our conjoint
> efforts.Its after all not mine or thine issue but our combined issue
> and we need to address and sort the same out conjointly only.
> My last point of wishlist:
> Lets remember that DECENCY IS BETTER PART OF CANDOUR,AS MUCH AS
> DISCRETION IS BETTER PART OF VALOUR(a la Shaskepeare).
> spm
> IPS DGP retd
> BE MBA PhD
>
>
> On 12/2/10, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Urvi Sukul Singh" <usukulsingh@hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 11:36 PM
>> To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: "Judge Uncle Syndrome" in the High Courts
>>
>>> Mr Roy,
>>> To me it appears your ideas are at odds with those of others besides me
>>> as
>>>
>>> well.You appear to be getting the wrong end of the stick and coming to
>>> the
>>>
>>> wrong conclusions.Besides,one does not have to stick to your phrases in
>>> the fear of raising your ire.
>>> I have corresponded in the past with Mr Mathur(he is also on the
>>> rti4emp@yahoogroup),therefore,I do not see that he needs you to jump to
>>> his defence.
>>> To many of us fairness and transparency may have something in
>>> common.Once
>>> again,one does not have to toe your line for fear of your questioning
>>> one's motives.What gives you the right to appoint yourself as an
>>> arbiter?Please accept that you are not always right.And,frankly,with
>>> this
>>> I hope to end my correspondence with you.
>>>
>>> Urvi Sukul Singh
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:55 PM
>>> To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: "Judge Uncle Syndrome" in the High Courts
>>>
>>>> Dear Ms Singh
>>>>
>>>> 1) I don't consider myself to be an activist. My views on activists
>>>> (and especially RTI activists) are in the public domain.
>>>>
>>>> 2) I don't recall using the phrase "high-end". It resonates with say
>>>> "high end" whore or "High class" prostitute.
>>>>
>>>> 3) I have never corresponded with Mr Rejimon for a very long time now.
>>>>
>>>> 4) You have now started coming across my posts because somebody has
>>>> subscribed you to this group (after laying hands on the members list
>>>> of rti4..@yg ..)
>>>>
>>>> 5) I am not spewing "venom". I am releasing material (almost
>>>> exclusively govt records) into the public space which the
>>>> establishment wants suppressed.
>>>>
>>>> 6) For me personally, the important things is that the "system" should
>>>> be "fair". I am not asking for the system to be transparent. In fact
>>>> my experience is that transparency runs counter to fairness. We need
>>>> fair exams, fair courts, fair tribunals like the CIC/SICs.
>>>> Whenever, I come across examples of unfairness, I shall post to this
>>>> group (and other
>>>> groups) with supporting evidence and if you still want to stop me then
>>>> I must seriously
>>>> question your motives.
>>>>
>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>
>>>> On 12/2/10, Urvi Sukul Singh <usukulsingh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Roy,
>>>>> If you are considered a high-end RTI activist,then I will gladly bid
>>>>> goodbye to the RTI groups.BTW,before you pass judgement,I would
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> you
>>>>> ask the people who are on the Group (and VERY REAL people,believe me,L
>>>>> because I have met or spoken telephonically to many of them) as to
>>>>> whether I
>>>>> contribute positively or not.
>>>>> Hardcore doesn't imply licence to kill(with rude words) it implies a
>>>>> deep
>>>>> commitment ,and I think we will have to put to the vote whether your
>>>>> commitment is deeper than that of the the next man/woman.
>>>>> I have witnessed your personal attacks on this Group on people,with
>>>>> specific
>>>>> reference to Mr Rejimon.For a long period in the middle ,I did not
>>>>> come
>>>>> across your posts.You have,however,returned,and you are spewing venom
>>>>> most
>>>>> of the time,
>>>>> I request the moderators of the Groups on which Mr Roy is a member,to
>>>>> take
>>>>> me off those Groups if I also figure in those lists.All except
>>>>> rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com The rest of you,please carry on with
>>>>> your
>>>>> Group of high-enders!
>>>>> Best of luck.
>>>>> Urvi Sukul Singh
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "sroy1947" <sroy1947@gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:59 PM
>>>>> To: "HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005"
>>>>> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: "Judge Uncle Syndrome" in the High
>>>>> Courts
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ms Singh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a group for hard=core RTI activists. Quite obviously ladies
>>>>>> with weak constitutions are not up to digesting alot of what is
>>>>>> posted
>>>>>> to this group and most of which is quite frankly nausea inducing
>>>>>> concerning the rampant corruption in the Info Commissions and the
>>>>>> judiciary..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I concur that a group like rti4empowerment@yahoogroups is the only
>>>>>> group which will suit your delicate temperament. The moderator there
>>>>>> is really scraping the bottom of the barrel if he permits posts from
>>>>>> you and RSingh631 etc to his members (somebody else has already shown
>>>>>> that half the member list over there is fake).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: If you read the first post in this thread, you will find that it
>>>>>> was not I who raised this issue/attack but the Law Commission of
>>>>>> India.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarbajit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Urvi Sukul Singh wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr Roy,
>>>>>>> You suggest action against people making suggestions yet your
>>>>>>> language
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the tenor of you mails is absolutely unbearable at times.Time
>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>> action against you.Most of what one has read over the last few weeks
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>> load of rubbish,with you a regular participant.
>>>>>>> I have requested being taken off all groups other than
>>>>>>> rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.Kindly comply.Otherwise,till I get the
>>>>>>> mails,if
>>>>>>> I feel the need I will reply.
>>>>>>> Urvi Sukul Singh
>>>>>>> PS I find this attack on the judiciary very unseemly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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